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red_admiral 18 hours ago [-]
> Companies were paying for more than 30 million Copilot subscriptions as of the end of June. And while individual users are free to use limited versions of Copilot’s chat experience, its most powerful tools are reserved for subscribers to the company’s M365 apps bundle, which has about 90 million paying users.
It needs to be more widely known that if you cancel a (home) 365 subscription, you'll be offered a cheaper version without AI integration.
deckar01 16 hours ago [-]
Now if I could just get them to start paying me cash for training their AI on my open source code and selling it rather than being force fed a Copilot grant.
pfortuny 17 hours ago [-]
Sorry what? Honest question.
doubled112 16 hours ago [-]
Microsoft allows you to subscribe to Microsoft 365 personal or family without AI for a small discount, but they hid the option on a page you can only get to if you click cancel on your subscription.
misswaterfairy 9 hours ago [-]
Microsoft are currently being sued in Australia by consumer protection (ACCC) over this practice.
nsbdhciebsbdhc 5 hours ago [-]
Iirc Microsoft increased the pricing on existing subscriptions on next renewal citing AI as the reason for the increase, they then added a no AI version at the original price, effectively opting all users into the 'upgrade' rather than requiring them to explicitly upgrade their licence.
pfortuny 3 hours ago [-]
[un]believable. Thank you.
Razengan 6 hours ago [-]
H..how is this legal.. in 2026
dgellow 1 hours ago [-]
Likely illegal in the EU. But in the US? 2026 is the year of open corruption, as long as the administration likes you you can do whatever you want.
It’s really surprising to me that after the US public hasn’t internalized how corrupt the country has become. It’s all coming from the top
jlarocco 6 hours ago [-]
If you have enough money nobody can tell you what you do.
TuringNYC 18 hours ago [-]
My blood pressure rises everytime i use Enterprise Copilot at work. It seems they truncate message history heavily (to save input token costs?) and Copilot forgets the last thing you told it in the chat. It is like a real-life version of Momento (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/) mixed with Waiting for Gadot (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot), pretending to be in league with Anthropic.
AnonymousPlanet 9 hours ago [-]
When people ask me why I don't have any Windows machine at home, I say "for health reasons". It really raises my blood pressure and at some point I realised it's not worth it risking my health over it. You could use the same to get away from Copilot.
browningstreet 16 hours ago [-]
Doing research work with it that outputs any kind of artifact is.. really painful. It constantly crashes, has to regenerate.. and then the output is often very difficult to carry to other Microsoft products, like Sharepoint. I end up creating PDFs that I import.
I'll go ahead and burn working hours on it because I'm getting paid, and people like the things I create.. but it's a very crippled and painful version of what you get with the frontier products and most OSS options.
poly2it 15 hours ago [-]
It boggles my mind that Microsoft can fail to deliver even bare minimum working software so consistently, with all the engineering talent they house. What are the product teams doing?
discordance 2 hours ago [-]
incredible right? - not to mention the complete access they have to OpenAI's IP
TuringNYC 13 hours ago [-]
I feel it is even worse than bare minimum -- it is so bad it infuriates the user. It is hard to get away from that reaction when one uses better alternatives in their personal life.
nsbdhciebsbdhc 5 hours ago [-]
Vibecoding.
homeonthemtn 9 hours ago [-]
Oh it's so bad. So so bad.
If you prompted an AI to return answers "as though you habitually ate soap and crayons while mouth breathing" you'd still get a better response than copilot
epihelix 3 hours ago [-]
That used to be the case, but the current Enterprise version, with the poorly-named "GPT 5.6 think deeper" option, is very decent indeed. Can't tell if it's Sol, Terra or a mixture of the two, but it's certainly not Luna.
(Stick with the default "Auto" and you probably get Phi-4 -- it's lobotomised AF.)
I use Copilot a lot now. Unlimited, free, high-quality, enterprise-protected inference is not to be sniffed at. It also writes some of the nicest code I've ever seen from an LLM, that's almost entirely free of comments.
Jenk 43 minutes ago [-]
Are you referring to GitHub Copilot? I believe this thread is referring to Windows Copilot, such as the AI feature embedded into every Office progam, which is not the same experience.
rmaxdev 2 hours ago [-]
My previous company used copilot enterprise
My experience was great because I had premium license and only used thinking models
Most colleagues didn’t have premium and used default/auto model
People stick to their very first bad experience unfortunately
robotnikman 8 hours ago [-]
Its so bad you would probably get better answers using a 2b parameter local model
gregschlom 17 hours ago [-]
Off-topic but I find it amusing that you managed to misspell both movie titles :)
TuringNYC 13 hours ago [-]
Fair point, that happens when i'm trying to be on MS Teams for a conf call, while watching my claude code terminal and then browsing HN on another monitor :-/
singingtoday 8 hours ago [-]
Sounds like most of us. Are we destroying our brains attention centers? Or working out our context switching?
trash88 17 hours ago [-]
Similarly to categorize Beckett as a movie.
pavlov 16 hours ago [-]
Indeed they don’t move very much in Godot. More like a standie-sittie than a movie.
light_triad 16 hours ago [-]
You're right using Microsoft products is like mixing Momento with Waiting for Gadot :)
I recently switched to New Outlook and it's full of weird subtle bugs. It takes them years to fix things and make them barely useable. Given their track record I'm not optimistic for Copilot given both the vision and the execution are questionable at best.
RoadieRoller 16 hours ago [-]
My employer installed the new Outlook in the background, and it was forcing me to switch to the new every time I use the old version.
I had to edit Windows Registry to avoid getting prompted every time I open old outlook. I didn’t like the looks or the bugs in the new version.
automatic6131 16 hours ago [-]
It's such a broken POS. Code snippets, especially for html, frequently don't render, or if they do, they render as rendered html which will frequently be an empty box, and you have to manually (for each snippet box) switch to show code mode.
Trillion dollar industry btw.
otabdeveloper4 4 hours ago [-]
Don't worry about. Claude Code wrote 1 million lines of tests for this functionality, that's how you know your luddite eyes are lying to you.
Gareth321 16 hours ago [-]
It's so bad. I'm cool with paying for good products but it's offensively bad.
automatic6131 15 hours ago [-]
I can tolerate Teams being a bit mid because the core functionality nearly always works. I can tolerate Outlook being meh because it's doing a lot (nothing I, a lowly IC really need though I can imagine the top hatted boss who does) and I think it does okay with the scope it's tackling.
But the M365 copilot app is inexcusable for being as core to Microslop's strategy.
hahahnono 4 hours ago [-]
Lol, teams has had two multi-hour global outages this year.
epihelix 3 hours ago [-]
Also a Copilot Enterprise user.
The interface is shockingly terrible, but with electron and a few hours with devtools, you can improve on it substantially.
I hope this new release does not change too much.
OGWhales 15 hours ago [-]
Huh... not my experience with the "premium" license. The interface isn't as nice and definitely less powerful than something like codex/claude code/whatever, but I don't seem to have any issues with truncation or things like that. I'm usually using 5.6 thinking (not clear which 5.6 model exactly) when I'm using copilot at work. It seems... fine? I always see people here always complaining that it's nerfed, truncates things, etc etc. The only difference I see is that interface isn't as nice nor as powerful, but I don't notice the answers being noticeably worse or anything like that. Occasionally it messes up code block formatting, but that's the only thing I can think of that annoys me.
Now, the "copilots" integrated in certain Microsoft products can be really horrible. I assume those are some sort of custom models that are not very capable, most of them I consider effectively worthless. But the web chat interface where I can pick chatGPT 5.6 seems fine...
TuringNYC 13 hours ago [-]
Given you're comparing to codex/claude code you probably arent talking about MS Copilot (e.g. the thing inside MS Teams but also available standalone as MS Copilot 365). Try it out and be convinced :-)
saelthavron 8 hours ago [-]
I don't think there is a misunderstanding. I don't recall ever having an issue with it either. Now I don't do anything extreme with it. Just questions, suggestions, or some basic task which are either Microsoft or basic business activity related. I haven't tried anything like coding, deep analysis, or anything complicated. It feels like it is for business tasks so I haven't really tried to push it to do anything outside of that.
OGWhales 10 hours ago [-]
I think I am! I use it in the browser instead of teams/the desktop app, but my understanding is that it should be the same thing. I do know most people don’t have the premium license for it at my company, not 100% sure what difference that makes but they say it’s better somehow and has access to better models, or at least did at one point.
But yeah, comparing to codex/claude code was a bit silly since those can do way more. It’s closer to the chatGPT. I’m pretty sure 5.6 Luna, not sure exactly since it doesn’t specify Luna/Terra/Sol
twobitshifter 56 minutes ago [-]
One difference is that the premium copilot has access to company files and those on your onedrive, whereas the non premium version requires you to upload files.
pseudosavant 17 hours ago [-]
Does anyone even want to try this? I'm a Windows user, M365 subscriber, VS Code user (when I'm not in Codex), had a Github Copilot subscription, etc... and a heavy AI user. Basically, the prime target for Microsoft AI. And every attempt Microsoft has made to put AI into a product has been unusable garbage, using the same models I find productive in other tools.
So many AI doubters I know hate using AI tools because their employer only gives them the Microsoft offerings. Which is a totally understandable reaction to those tools.
illusive4080 8 hours ago [-]
I believe Microsoft’s target audience is the layman who is not an AI user but rather a regular user who wants a quick answer.
bonesss 4 hours ago [-]
I believe it’s checkbox-filling in the acquisition process for enterprise contracts, like a lot of other half-baked capabilities in their flagship products.
It doesn’t matter how they work, it matters you can tell leadership “yes, they have that too” to maintain existing contracts and vendor relationships.
EA-3167 9 hours ago [-]
“AI doubters”
By the numbers we just call them “most people”… you’re in the minority by quite a growing stretch.
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TiredOfLife 16 minutes ago [-]
I have a layman relative who was heavily using ai for about half a year before i started using it.
otabdeveloper4 4 hours ago [-]
But have you heard the good news of our lord and saviour Claude Opus 5.5?
(Not the be confused with the Claude Opus 5. That's a different lord that didn't turn out to be a saviour.)
fhn 15 hours ago [-]
I mean they are a billion dollar company? What did you expect?
eviks 2 hours ago [-]
That those billions provide resources to do something well?
VCFundedGenYer 18 hours ago [-]
It was foolish of them to think they had any consumer clout left. Shoving 1000 copies of an inaccurate, poorly functioning, and inconsistent product down everyone's throat will someday be a case study in how to immediately destroy a brand.
ieie3366 16 hours ago [-]
Crazy how if they had waited about 2-3 years, and kept windows AI-free and released it today using the latest models, it would absolutely be well received (see: muse, new siri)
Instead their incompetent managers were chasing promotions and pushed a technology which was not ready yet
twostorytower 8 hours ago [-]
These kinds of features absolutely come from the top. VP level, at the very least, if that's what you mean by incompetent managers. The middle managers are just trying to do their jobs and figure out how to get it done. If they say no, they're just going to lose their job faster than they'd lose it to AI.
yborg 3 hours ago [-]
No, the very top. Nadella has been driving this directly, he was going to get there first, shock & awe, etc. Maybe this would have worked if Microsoft cared about customer experience as much as it cares about customer lock-in.
robotnikman 8 hours ago [-]
>Crazy how if they had waited about 2-3 years, and kept windows AI-free and released it today using the latest models, it would absolutely be well received (see: muse, new siri)
But that would make John Shareholder sad! He wants it done now, this quarter!
icantevenhold 16 hours ago [-]
While I would like it to be different M$ is far from destroyed.
Quite the opposite from my POV it looks far stronger than 10-20 years ago.
The reality is that most users and consumers don’t care about quality, accuracy or functionality at all.
steve1977 5 hours ago [-]
I guess most users of Microsoft products are not the buyers of said products.
When these tools are getting forced upon you in the workplace, there's often not so much you can do. I can raise the quality issues in the 1-to-1 with my manager, but it won't have any effect.
jr3592 16 hours ago [-]
"at all" is probably a stretch, but agreed that the number one factor for a mile is cost. users will accept a surprising level of trash, if the price is cheap.
engineers tend to think as engineers do, solving all problems with features, quality improvements, etc. but those all drive costs up, and don't always provide the return we think they will.
Razengan 5 hours ago [-]
There's a fate worse than "destruction": Becoming IBM
hluska 17 hours ago [-]
This is just how Microsoft operates. They have operated like this for decades. “Immediately” is quite the exaggeration.
kevinrineer 5 hours ago [-]
One could compare it to the immediacy of an actor's overnight success shaped career.
fakedang 17 hours ago [-]
Microsoft does not care about consumer branding because their enterprise branding game is A1.
PunchyHamster 18 hours ago [-]
.... immediately ? MS has been doing it for decades
It still makes me sad thinking about what a perfect name Copilot is for what it does, and how flawlessly MS destroyed all of it...
rzzzt 22 minutes ago [-]
What it is: First Officer, what it does: Pilot Flying
aniceperson 15 hours ago [-]
Microsoft inviting IT to nice events and giving them perks is the reason they keep a grip so tight on enterprise. For unknown reasons, every garbage new microsoft add-on will be enabled silently without any clear way to manage. At least for copilot pro plus premium they sent an email that "i was invited" so i could promptly reject before they activated, but here is the trick, 99% of the employees won't bother to opt-out.
steve1977 5 hours ago [-]
> Companies were paying for more than 30 million Copilot subscriptions as of the end of June.
That's in relation to an estimated 450 million or so M365 subscriptions for businesses.
Not exactly a huge success.
schwarzrules 16 hours ago [-]
Just going to use this thread to also add a nit: I hate that Microsoft made all the OEMs add a Copilot key to all their laptop keyboards. It's been Ctrl forever, and suddently they throw this net-negative key onto the keyboard. I have decades of habit of using the right side Ctrl key for varying shortcut strokes, and then when I use it now it loads up an unproductive Copilot experience that is awful. <end rant>
drfloyd51 15 hours ago [-]
Autohotkey for the win.
Powertoys even offers keyboard remapping.
SG- 1 hours ago [-]
that's how i felt with the windows key back then.
infecto 18 hours ago [-]
Not at all that surprising. There enterprise offering is barely acceptable and they have continued to drop the ball on having half decent Cowork solution.
They have all rights to win with their existing enterprise agreement but wow it’s amazing to see how bad their product cadence and decision making is. All they needed to do was copy Claude Cowork like OpenAI did.
chris_money202 7 hours ago [-]
Yeah the difference with Microsoft though is they actually hold the enterprise data and have been entrusted with doing so. So if Microsoft’s AI bypasses the governance guards a company puts in place on data that lives in O365, they are liable. With Cowork and OpenAI the liability is on the employee who is misusing the data because the company did not go into any governance agreement with Anthropic or OpenAI.
glimshe 18 hours ago [-]
Great! I was looking forward to an unified AI service like we got unified messaging with MS Teams!!!
2OEH8eoCRo0 18 hours ago [-]
Still can't believe they ditched the Cortana name.
rm_-rf_slash 18 hours ago [-]
Nah it makes sense. They know their AI is second rate at best. Cortana implies 26th century excellence. If the reality is a step back (and we all know it’s several), then “haha Cortana dumb” memes would sweep the internet. They would have to rebrand anyway. If anything it was smart to rip off the band aid early.
VCFundedGenYer 18 hours ago [-]
No, it doesn't make sense. Cortana was a fantastic name for an assistant, and synergistic with Halo at the time.
The low quality of the voice assistant was unfortunate, but the naming was perfect.
Kirby64 17 hours ago [-]
The low quality of the voice assistant meant they doomed the Cortana name. It got associated with garbage voice assistance, so they had to rebrand.
If there had been consumer good will for voice assistant performance before poisoning the name, it might have survived... but when you first product in that realm is garbage and it lingers for a long time, you're dooming the name.
Also, synergy with Halo is meaningless to Microsoft. Most folks do not care or even know about Halo.
2OEH8eoCRo0 17 hours ago [-]
Why isn't the Siri name poisoned for being terrible?
Kirby64 17 hours ago [-]
It kind of has, although I would argue that Siri is more successful than Cortana.
If I recall correctly, the thing that made Cortana particularly frustrating and worthless is that it did all searches using Bing, and opened any websites using Edge, regardless of your default settings. You got forced to use all the Microsoft version of every tool, even if you didn't want to.
rolosa 7 hours ago [-]
It has. Literally nobody outside of tech bloggers like Siri AI or want Siri AI. I'm pretty positive on AI in general and having used Siri AI now since iOS 27 I can say it's fucking useless and I'm about to delete it from my devices to free up the storage.
bigDinosaur 7 hours ago [-]
Siri is highly useful for setting timers and is a solid 9/10 at doing so reliably.
Razengan 5 hours ago [-]
Guess what, after updating to watchOS 27, Siri "couldn't set a timer on this device because the Clock app isn't installed" ...
Man effing hell Apple
spogbiper 17 hours ago [-]
I get the impression that it is, at least to some degree
2OEH8eoCRo0 16 hours ago [-]
If the Siri name is poisoned then why doesn't Apple rebrand?
jandrese 13 hours ago [-]
Because Apple doesn't care. Siri is just something that is bolted on when you buy the hardware. Cortana was an actual product that Microsoft is trying to sell.
I don't know anybody who uses Siri for more than just setting an occasional timer or something. Usually it's a nuisance when she is accidentally activated and takes over the interface.
drfloyd51 15 hours ago [-]
Apple is stubborn.
And to Apple, Siri is to Siri AI as MacBook is to MacBook Pro.
Completely different product.
Grombobulous 13 hours ago [-]
Siri isn’t in any way a tainted brand name, I hear strangers saying “Hey Siri” all the time.
Asking for Siri is like an automatic reflex to a lot of people. You can’t change that name.
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hotdog1492 12 hours ago [-]
Unfortunately, they have also trashed the reputation of the Halo franchise since stripping it from Bungie.
hluska 17 hours ago [-]
Considering how little knowledge you showed of Microsoft’s history in a previous comment, it would be better if you just sat out branding conversations.
card_zero 18 hours ago [-]
Since I never played Halo, it makes me think of Cordova, and implies 10th-century Islamic Spain.
barney54 9 hours ago [-]
Does anyone have any good experiences with copilot? I have never heard anyone say anything good about it.
epihelix 3 hours ago [-]
Yes, with Enterprise M365 Copilot.
Select "GPT 5.6 Think deeper" (ugh, so unrevealing, MS) and you've got free, unlimited Sol or Terra (likely a mix depending on load) on tap.
It writes very nice, clean code with almost no comments.
I use it a lot.
preommr 9 hours ago [-]
Copilot was fantastic, it's usage was insane because it was by request not tokens for the longest time. You could make a long markdown file with lots of planned edits, and just let it rip.
It also had some really good models for basically free while it was in preview instead of being tied to a single provider.
And finally, it's vscode integration was really good. I use codex now, and changes to a thread are in this awful diff view that shows all changes in a single tab. And even that wasn't working for a while there. No clue if cursor is better never tried it because it takes a lot for me to swtich tools because of all the small things like shorcuts and configurations that I've set over a long time.
gentlewater 37 minutes ago [-]
It _was_ fantastic. Then it transitioned to abysmal over night when they switched to usage based billing. Now, if you put the same 50 USD towards GitHub copilot compared to Codex, I’m pretty sure Codex gives you 20x the usage or something. Really sucks for us who are stuck with GitHub copilot at work for compliance reasons.
weakened_malloc 8 hours ago [-]
i think OP is talking about MS365 copilot, not github copilot
preommr 8 hours ago [-]
someone else mentioned how their blood pressure spikes from using microsoft products...
The sheer anger that I feel over how fuckingly stupid it is that they named everything copilot that basic conversation is difficult... I tried going to the article and got swarmed by paywall, finally checked the archive link and I think you're right.
rolosa 7 hours ago [-]
I'm seriously wondering if their next Xbox is gonna be branded copilot
Razengan 5 hours ago [-]
Microsoft Cope
TYPE_FASTER 16 hours ago [-]
I think it makes much more sense for Microsoft to provide a good agent orchestration layer for their operating system and productivity software (are we still calling it that?) than try to compete with the Frontier providers.
technion 9 hours ago [-]
Wait, they rebounded scout as autopilot?
As someone who works with Microsoft intune autopilot regularly... ugh.
wiseowise 4 hours ago [-]
> Jacob Andreou, who leads product development of the unified Copilot app, told the audience of corporate customers on Wednesday. Importing some user experience features from the consumer app “made Copilot so much better in just the last few months,” he said.
Yeah, it’s shit lol.
pdntspa 18 hours ago [-]
Again?
mugenjin23 8 hours ago [-]
This is crazy to me. I work in local government and for a state in Australia and most LG orgs are battling with the confusing of the current Enterprise Copilot conveluted-ness. This is just another change to deal with. What happens with Agents, Studio, Cowork and Scout? Is this a rebrand again of those?
This is how it looks to me now: we have "The New Copilot”, which is Home, Code and Autopilot. Meanwhile an organisation is already trying to explain usage of Microsoft 365 Copilot, Copilot Chat, Copilot in Teams, Word, Excel, Outlook etc, Copilot Studio, Agents, Agent Builder, Researcher / Analyst and other agents, Cowork, Copilot Notebooks, Copilot Actions, Workflows and connectors.
I know frontier AI labs change a lot, but this just seems like throwing a new mask on the product to cover the mess underneath.
oh_no 18 hours ago [-]
microsoft Product remains an unmitigated dumpster fire.
i think github copilot has actually gotten to a pretty good place, and of course the two copilot products will both have features called "autopilot" that do entirely different things
sticilface 3 hours ago [-]
Microsoft will forever be in my personal dumpsterfire. Absolute trash. How the fuck they can allow admins to disable copy and expect anyone to get anything done. I work in healthcare I’m expected to understand what is confidential and what is not as part of my job. 99% of my email has nothing confidential in it but yet I cannot copy an email address or drag a block of text anywhere. It is so infuriating…. That guess what…. Everyone sends their emails to their personal address. Good work…. I realise this is the sysadmins washing their hands of accountability. But Microsoft should allow copying an email address from their own profile pages. I do other admin that requires lists of people emails and I have to resort to all sorts of crap to get their email address out of Microsoft. It’s a joke. They can burn in hell.
infecto 18 hours ago [-]
It’s really interesting to watch unfold because from the outside it seems so obvious. While I know change at scale can be hard it’s surprising nobody has called for a culling or shakeup to work it out.
illusive4080 8 hours ago [-]
Satya has got to go
basch 17 hours ago [-]
and unrelated to Windows Autopilot which part of device deployment and intune succeeding sccm.
Mindboggling.
agentnet-live 17 hours ago [-]
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bena 18 hours ago [-]
Did this one become a Nazi as well?
nekusar 18 hours ago [-]
At least a few of us remember TayAI. And to think this was 2016, well before "Attention is all you need" LLM paper.
I was about to say that it feels so much earlier than that. But then, 2016 was a whole decade ago.
To think, the main impetus was mostly to see if it could be done. And to show Microsoft why you don't expose things like that to the public. Microsoft said "She'll learn from your conversations" and the internet said "Bet"
PunchyHamster 17 hours ago [-]
> Microsoft said "She'll learn from your conversations" and the internet said "Bet"
...well, it did exactly that, no bet here.
bigDinosaur 7 hours ago [-]
It didn't 'learn' anything in any shape or form at all, it performed an echo <input>.
bena 15 hours ago [-]
Yes, but it's a way to say "Oh yes it will". Or even "Challenge accepted".
It's acknowledgement
shostack 7 hours ago [-]
These are effectively the next OS. I wonder if Microsoft realizes that and if so what their strategic play is.
It needs to be more widely known that if you cancel a (home) 365 subscription, you'll be offered a cheaper version without AI integration.
It’s really surprising to me that after the US public hasn’t internalized how corrupt the country has become. It’s all coming from the top
I'll go ahead and burn working hours on it because I'm getting paid, and people like the things I create.. but it's a very crippled and painful version of what you get with the frontier products and most OSS options.
If you prompted an AI to return answers "as though you habitually ate soap and crayons while mouth breathing" you'd still get a better response than copilot
(Stick with the default "Auto" and you probably get Phi-4 -- it's lobotomised AF.)
I use Copilot a lot now. Unlimited, free, high-quality, enterprise-protected inference is not to be sniffed at. It also writes some of the nicest code I've ever seen from an LLM, that's almost entirely free of comments.
My experience was great because I had premium license and only used thinking models
Most colleagues didn’t have premium and used default/auto model
People stick to their very first bad experience unfortunately
I recently switched to New Outlook and it's full of weird subtle bugs. It takes them years to fix things and make them barely useable. Given their track record I'm not optimistic for Copilot given both the vision and the execution are questionable at best.
I had to edit Windows Registry to avoid getting prompted every time I open old outlook. I didn’t like the looks or the bugs in the new version.
Trillion dollar industry btw.
But the M365 copilot app is inexcusable for being as core to Microslop's strategy.
The interface is shockingly terrible, but with electron and a few hours with devtools, you can improve on it substantially.
I hope this new release does not change too much.
Now, the "copilots" integrated in certain Microsoft products can be really horrible. I assume those are some sort of custom models that are not very capable, most of them I consider effectively worthless. But the web chat interface where I can pick chatGPT 5.6 seems fine...
But yeah, comparing to codex/claude code was a bit silly since those can do way more. It’s closer to the chatGPT. I’m pretty sure 5.6 Luna, not sure exactly since it doesn’t specify Luna/Terra/Sol
So many AI doubters I know hate using AI tools because their employer only gives them the Microsoft offerings. Which is a totally understandable reaction to those tools.
It doesn’t matter how they work, it matters you can tell leadership “yes, they have that too” to maintain existing contracts and vendor relationships.
By the numbers we just call them “most people”… you’re in the minority by quite a growing stretch.
(Not the be confused with the Claude Opus 5. That's a different lord that didn't turn out to be a saviour.)
Instead their incompetent managers were chasing promotions and pushed a technology which was not ready yet
But that would make John Shareholder sad! He wants it done now, this quarter!
The reality is that most users and consumers don’t care about quality, accuracy or functionality at all.
When these tools are getting forced upon you in the workplace, there's often not so much you can do. I can raise the quality issues in the 1-to-1 with my manager, but it won't have any effect.
engineers tend to think as engineers do, solving all problems with features, quality improvements, etc. but those all drive costs up, and don't always provide the return we think they will.
That's in relation to an estimated 450 million or so M365 subscriptions for businesses.
Not exactly a huge success.
Powertoys even offers keyboard remapping.
They have all rights to win with their existing enterprise agreement but wow it’s amazing to see how bad their product cadence and decision making is. All they needed to do was copy Claude Cowork like OpenAI did.
The low quality of the voice assistant was unfortunate, but the naming was perfect.
If there had been consumer good will for voice assistant performance before poisoning the name, it might have survived... but when you first product in that realm is garbage and it lingers for a long time, you're dooming the name.
Also, synergy with Halo is meaningless to Microsoft. Most folks do not care or even know about Halo.
If I recall correctly, the thing that made Cortana particularly frustrating and worthless is that it did all searches using Bing, and opened any websites using Edge, regardless of your default settings. You got forced to use all the Microsoft version of every tool, even if you didn't want to.
Man effing hell Apple
I don't know anybody who uses Siri for more than just setting an occasional timer or something. Usually it's a nuisance when she is accidentally activated and takes over the interface.
And to Apple, Siri is to Siri AI as MacBook is to MacBook Pro.
Completely different product.
Asking for Siri is like an automatic reflex to a lot of people. You can’t change that name.
Select "GPT 5.6 Think deeper" (ugh, so unrevealing, MS) and you've got free, unlimited Sol or Terra (likely a mix depending on load) on tap.
It writes very nice, clean code with almost no comments.
I use it a lot.
It also had some really good models for basically free while it was in preview instead of being tied to a single provider.
And finally, it's vscode integration was really good. I use codex now, and changes to a thread are in this awful diff view that shows all changes in a single tab. And even that wasn't working for a while there. No clue if cursor is better never tried it because it takes a lot for me to swtich tools because of all the small things like shorcuts and configurations that I've set over a long time.
The sheer anger that I feel over how fuckingly stupid it is that they named everything copilot that basic conversation is difficult... I tried going to the article and got swarmed by paywall, finally checked the archive link and I think you're right.
As someone who works with Microsoft intune autopilot regularly... ugh.
Yeah, it’s shit lol.
This is how it looks to me now: we have "The New Copilot”, which is Home, Code and Autopilot. Meanwhile an organisation is already trying to explain usage of Microsoft 365 Copilot, Copilot Chat, Copilot in Teams, Word, Excel, Outlook etc, Copilot Studio, Agents, Agent Builder, Researcher / Analyst and other agents, Cowork, Copilot Notebooks, Copilot Actions, Workflows and connectors.
I know frontier AI labs change a lot, but this just seems like throwing a new mask on the product to cover the mess underneath.
i think github copilot has actually gotten to a pretty good place, and of course the two copilot products will both have features called "autopilot" that do entirely different things
Mindboggling.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/microsoft-shuts-down-ai-chatbot...
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-m...
To think, the main impetus was mostly to see if it could be done. And to show Microsoft why you don't expose things like that to the public. Microsoft said "She'll learn from your conversations" and the internet said "Bet"
...well, it did exactly that, no bet here.
It's acknowledgement
What do you mean by that? In what way?